Press MAAC Index, Week 3: More of the same on top
This week's power rankings give me a chance to make a plea I've been meaning to make all year. Here's why: An anonymous commenter got on me after last week's rankings for saying that this year's Siena team isn't as good as last year's.
While I'm still not sold that last year's team -- which, lest anyone forgot, had a guy named Kenny Hasbrouck on the wing -- isn't better than this year's, I'd love to give that reader credit by name for lobbying on behalf of this year's team, which has looked more and more dominant as the year has gone on.
The more Northern Iowa, Georgia Tech and Temple pile up wins, the more it's starting to look like the St. John's game is the only thing that could be considered a bad loss for a team with Top 25 aspirations.
Given the reality that three of those teams are ranked this week, it's a safe bet that without the St. John's loss, SI's Seth Davis wouldn't be the only AP voter with Siena on his ballot. And even with that loss, I'm guessing more voters will join Seth and rank the Saints in the coming weeks.
So here's my plea: In the interest of making commenting as easy as possible, I'm not going to ban anonymous comments. If you really don't have the extra two seconds to write down your name, I've always let your comment go through anyway. But for the sake of good discussion, please, pretty please with a cherry on top, leave your name with your comment. If you don't post anonymously on message boards or in our live chats during games, don't do it in the comments section either.
With that out of the way, here's the PMI:
1. Siena: Records: 15-4 overall, 8-0 in the MAAC; RPI: 33; Position: Stayed the same from last week
Here's how well Siena's starting five has played: If I had to pick a Player of the Year right now, Edwin Ubiles would be the fourth guy on my list -- that is, my list of Siena players. When he hasn't been hampered by injuries, Ubiles has still been very good this year, but he's had less of an impact than Ronald Moore, Alex Franklin and Ryan Rossiter.
And though it's always dangerous to pick a team to go undefeated (see this year's Colts and Saints), I keep looking at Siena's schedule and wondering which games will even be close.
2. Fairfield: Records: 13-5, 6-2; RPI: 117; Position: Stayed the same
The more the Stags fall behind early in games, the more reluctant I become to rank them this high. Sooner or later, these halftime deficits are going to turn into losses, especially on the road. But given the kind of year Canisius is having, I can't penalize Fairfield for beating the Golden Griffs, who have played extremely well over the past two weeks.
Derek Needham has been talked about so much he's almost becoming old news, but that doesn't change the fact that he may be deserving of first-team all-MAAC honors.
3. Iona: Records: 13-6, 5-3; RPI: 76; Position: Stayed the same
Aside from Siena, there isn't a hotter team in the MAAC than the Gaels, who have posted back-to-back easy wins over Niagara and Rider and won nine of 11 overall. They've done all this without much of a post presence aside from Alejo Rodriguez, but they've shot so well from the perimeter and are so deep -- they predictably outscored Rider 31-16 in bench points Monday night -- that they've gotten along just fine anyway.
4. Saint Peter's: Records: 10-8, 5-3; RPI: 178; Position: Moved up one spot
Man, am I glad I wasn't at the Peacocks' game Sunday against Loyola, when they scored 14 points in the first half, shot 32 percent from the floor and 18 percent from 3, and somehow managed to WIN by five points.
But when you enter the game off of back-to-back impressive wins, you can afford to turn in an ugly performance as long as you win. I'm also impressed that they won despite getting only four points from Wesley Jenkins, who went off for 27 against Niagara and 26 against Rider.
They've had some awfully puzzling performances over the last two months, but nearing the half-way point, they're back in the same spot I had them in at the beginning of the year.
5. Niagara: Records: 11-9, 4-4; RPI: 137; Position: Moved down one spot
Choosing between the Eagles and their cross-town rivals at Canisius was the hardest choice I had to make this week. With the teams tied in the MAAC standings and touting relatively similar resumes, the first place I turned was their performances against common opponents.
Even that, however, didn't push me one way or another. Niagara, for instance, convincingly beat Fairfield, a team that swept Canisius. But the Golden Griffs thumped Iona, a team that recently finished a sweep of Niagara.
In the end, I chose the Eagles based on this factor: If you told me the teams were playing tonight on a neutral court, I'd bet on Niagara to win.
6. Canisius: Records: 9-10, 4-4; RPI: 176; Position: Moved up one spot
That the Griffs are even on the same level as Niagara speaks to the strides they've made over the last two years, when they've gone from a punchline to a formidable team capable of beating anyone in the league other than Siena.
Based on what I wrote above, I ranked them below Niagara, but they'll get a shot at their Big Four rivals for the first time on Jan. 29 at home.
7. Rider: Records: 10-10, 3-5; RPI: 168; Position: Moved down one spot
Tommy Dempsey swears the Broncs are as together now as they've ever been -- that no one is pointing fingers or quitting on one another. If that's the case, good for them. But it sure hasn't helped on the court, where Rider has lost five of seven and doesn't seem capable of beating anyone other than Manhattan, Loyola and Marist.
8. Manhattan: Records: 7-11, 2-6; RPI: 223; Position: Stayed the same
Much like Niagara and Canisius, Manhattan and Loyola are awfully close. I've given the benefit of the doubt, though, to the Jaspers, whose two wins have been far more convincing than the Hounds' two wins, and who have lost to Rider and Canisius by a combined three points.
9. Loyola: Records: 9-9, 2-6; RPI: 188; Position: Stayed the same
I really thought the Hounds would be better than they were last year, and even thought they'd have a chance to finish in the top four if they got good play from Shane Walker and continued stardom from Jamal Barney. But Walker hasn't been a huge difference-maker, Barney has regressed, and Loyola is lucky to have two wins.
10. Marist: Records: 1-17, 1-7; RPI: 340; Position: Stayed the same
I feel bad for Chuck Martin. He has to sit there after every game and try to find SOME positives -- a task that isn't easy when you're one of the worst teams in the country.
At this point, though, maybe the Foxes have nothing to lose. They're not in danger of going winless, which means they're not bad enough to go down in national infamy even if they lose all of their remaining games. That means they can focus on the development of a group of talented freshmen without worrying about wins and losses.
12 Comments:
How can you consider Siena a top 25 caliber team? they have lost to each good team that they have played. You have to at least beat somebody to get into the discussion of being ranked.
And who is Seth Davis???? is that the same guy that called one of the best coaches in America (Pete Carroll) a "low-life?" Ya, he's got a ton of credibility. Guys like him and Feinstein vote for mid-majors so everyone wil talk about them.
-FAZ
I didn't think Doddy was advocating Siena as a top-25 team, I thought he was saying more people might jump onboard Davis' thinking that Siena is a Top 25 team...but I was not an English major, so I could be wrong.
Leaving USC right before sanctions are likely...seems rather douchey to me.
"One of the best coaches in Amerca" wouldn't have a hissy-fit when Dirty Sanchez had his news conference at Heritage Hall.
I don't think Davis is too far off in calling Pete Carroll a "low-life." I would have settled with douchebag. (I live in SoCal and loathe UCLA, I think I've earned the opportunity to criticize Carroll)
Anonymous postings...now that's a douchebag move. At least post under a nickname.
FAZ,
Thanks for leaving a name, but just to be clear on the whole anonymous thing: If you simply click the "name/url" button, there's a space to put in a screen name rather than posting as anonymous.
And Boom is right. I was NOT saying Siena belongs in the Top 25. If I had a ballot, Siena wouldn't be on it, because I agree with you that in order to be ranked, you need to beat someone.
But different people have different qualifications. I don't think Davis is crazy for including Siena.
And most importantly, I have a hard time taking anyone seriously who says a senior college basketball writer at SI lacks credibility when talking college hoops.
I am having MAJOR spelling problems today. Sorry Ben
He called Carroll a low-life for throwing a bomb in a rivalry game when Nueheisal was calling time outs and trying to get the ball back. How is that being a low-life?
Davis is obviously a very smart guy that is good on TV....and has some political connections, but he has zero playing or coaching experience. And calling a coach not named Tom Cable or Mark Mangino a "low-life" leads me to question his credibility.
No problem, Boom. ... FAZ, I don't agree that Carroll is a low-life, but I also don't see how a comment about a football coach has anything to do with someone's college basketball knowledge.
And the "no coaching or playing experience" is the lamest way to try to undermine someone. If playing and coaching experience were the only qualifications for analyzing college hoops, why does the AP poll even exist?
For that matter, why do people read sports columnists or listen to sports radio? How many of those guys are former college players or coaches?
The point of my original post was that he is just looking for attention....justified by name-calling Carroll and voting for a mid-major (with no good wins) as his #25 team.
There are lots of people covering sports that only have a basic knowledge of the sports their covering...but that does not mean that they are not smart guys, good writers and/or good TV personalities. Do you really think that the guy that writes the page 2 stuff for the Philly inquirer (Gonzo) has any in-depth football or baseball knowledge?
Ummm loyola beat rider so far rider has shown the ability to beat Marist and manhattan
I was the one who posted last week that you were not giving this Siena team credit. Glad to see you're coming around. This team plays smarter. Not as deep.
This week, you're wrong on Ubiles. Check Ubiles stats the last 5 or so games. He has stepped it up.
Either Ubiles or Moore is the POY. I was high on Franlin earlier in the year, but Ubiles has carried the team in the last month -- at times.
Your recognition of Siena's dominance and omnipotence is admirable but this is two weeks in a row where you've mis-analyzed something.
SaintlySaint
Oh, I'll also take issue with your Rossiter comment. His stats are impressive but his effort has been noticeably lacking at times. He does not "bring it" for the entire game. The first half of the game at Fairfield, the home game at Canisius for 30 minutes and the first 15 minutes of tonight's game he was AWOL. Go back and look at the tape of those games and you'll see.
SaintlySaint
Thanks for the notes, Saintly.
I'm still not completely convinced about this team being better, simply because that team had Hasbrouck in the starting lineup and Clarence Jackson off the bench, whereas this year's team has Jackson starting but no one comparable off the bench.
I also still firmly believe that the biggest reason the gap has gotten bigger this year between Siena and the rest of the pack is the degree to which Niagara and Rider have regressed.
As far as Rossiter is concerned, I'll take your word on his effort in those games, which I didn't get a chance to see.
The nine or 10 times I've seen him play in person, he's been the most dominant big guy on the floor at both ends, in spite of never being the centerpiece of Siena's offense.
I think he's worthy of being a first-team pick and may end up being selected as exactly that.
Rossiter is first team, all i'm saying is he effort has been lacking a few times.
Ubiles is now the POY.
Siena's starting 5 is more dominant and is better than last years because Jackson is a 1-1 replacement for Hasbrouck and Ubiles and Franklin are better. The bench is still an issue.
SaintlySaint
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